I agree with the idea of building in progressive growth…communicating before converging….peace and blessings Dele
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Bob Waldrop wrote:
> I’ll add these to the list — but — more important than that list is > your please for a better way to share information.
>
> In my mind, this suggests that . . .
>
> . . . Before the national/North American convergence. . .
>
> comes the North American Permaculture Information Network. . . ? >
> Maybe using some of the platform/expertise on offer from Andy @ > Permaculture U?
>
> I think that makes more sense — at this moment in history — than > proceeding full on to the scheduling/organization of a national > convergence.
>
> Bob Waldrop, Okie City
>
>
> On 7/19/2012 11:34 AM, Cory Brennan wrote:
> > I would add to your list, Bob:
> >
> > 1. One on one enlightenment, bugging people til they try it (i’ve gotten > too many people into permaculture this way, lol)
> > 2. briefings to policy makers
> > 3. Real, fully sustainable, permaculture demonstration sites (so > necessary for the educational/enlightenment process, and so often barriers > to getting a full design actually implemented)
> > 4. permaculture taught in universities and schools
> > 5. permaculture in mainstream media
> >
> > A national association could assist with bringing permaculture to the > next level of recognition which might make it easier for all of us who want > to, to get it out there. This could be done, for one thing, by documenting > and sharing successful actions at local and regional levels. > >
> > I personally would find this incredibly useful and would put the > information to use in my area. It’s great that regional areas are doing > well, but those of us in pioneer territories could use some help from > ya’ll, some successful action write ups maybe, or interviews, so we don’t > have to reinvent the wheel!
> >
> > The more viable we can make it to have people doing permaculture design > or education full time, the faster it will get out there. Those with more > experience will be in higher demand, not in competition with new > permaculturists, and may even be able to help new guys get started into > business or whatever as a part of their livelihood and be well paid for it. > >
> > I can see many ways that we could help each other more than we do, with > the result being more abundance, business, and most importantly, > permaculture influence, for all of us.
> >
> > Koreen Brennan
> >
> > http://www.growpermaculture.com
> > http://www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition
> > http://www.meetup.com/createclearwater
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: mIEKAL aND
> > To: permaculture
> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:22 AM
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] How to expand permaculture
> >
> > I’ve been working to get permaculture installed on our campus at > > Organic Valley and I think a real opportunity that often gets > > overlooked is to approach the commercial sector and make a case for > > alternatives to traditional high imput one dimensional corporate > > landscaping.
> >
> > ~mIEKAL
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Bob Waldrop wrote: > >> We haven’t had any other nibbles on this tangent of the recent thread on > >> a national gathering. But maybe if we spin this off on its own thread > >> we’ll get some takers.
> >>
> >> So first we have to start with thoughtful observation. Maybe make a > >> list to begin with? By “expand permaculture” I think we mean > >> “permaculture missionary work,” spreading the word, encouraging others > >> to learn and practice permaculture design, etc. If we mean something > >> else, then we should get that definition worked up early too. > >>
> >> Methods presently in use to encourage the spread of the knowledge and > >> use of permaculture design.
> >>
> >> (1) PDCs
> >> (2) Short workshops (day, weekend)
> >> (3) Websites
> >> (4) Permaculture Activist magazine (are there other permaculture print > >> publications in the US?)
> >> (5) Permaculture books in libraries, bookstores, and available online > >> (both to buy and to read)
> >> (6) Permaculture listserv discussions like this one (it would be fun to > >> compile a complete list)
> >> (7) Permaculture social media (FB, Google+, Linked-in, Klout) > >> (8) Permaculture posters, flyers, small flyers and pamphlets, and other > >> ephemera
> >> (9) Permaculture volunteer efforts (such as what you are doing in Native > >> American areas and others are doing in inner-city neighborhoods) > >> (10) Permaculture websites
> >>
> >> What else is going on out there?
> >>
> >> Bob Waldrop, OKC
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/16/2012 9:53 PM, Cory Brennan wrote:
> >>> Good point Bob, let’s do it! I’m game. It certainly is something that > needs to be accomplished…
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Bob Waldrop
> >>> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> >>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 5:05 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fwd: Nth American Conf
> >>>
> >>> Why would we need to travel to do this? If this is what we want to > >>> achieve, why couldn’t we do this, well, right here and right now for > >>> example?
> >>>
> >>> It could be an exercise in cooperative permaculture design — > >>> observation, evaluation, design work, implementation.
> >>>
> >>> I’ve always thought that some kind of a large project, operated in > >>> cyberspace, involving permaculture people from “all over the map” would > >>> not only be fun, we would all learn a lot from it and it might even do > >>> some good.
> >>>
> >>> Bob Waldrop, OKC
> >>>
> >>> On 7/16/2012 3:23 PM, Cory Brennan wrote:
> >>>> I would say it would be worth the travel miles if we actually walk > away with a plan to expand permaculture in multiple areas much more quickly > than it is happening and actually execute it. Then it would be worth it. > >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ________________________________
> >>>> From: Bob Waldrop
> >>>> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> >>>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:57 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fwd: Nth American Conf
> >>>>
> >>>> Why do we think that this event would be worth the damage the travel > and
> >>>> etc associated with it would cause the earth’s ecologies? Haven’t we > >>>> done enough harm to all with our sense of entitlement to all the > travel
> >>>> we can manage to pay for with dollars? Especially those of us who are > >>>> privileged First World people?
> >>>>
> >>>> The Union of Concerned Scientists recently released a book on global > >>>> warming and transportation/travel is one of the three major > contributors
> >>>> to the emissions driving climate change. They say one imperative of > the
> >>>> future is that we need to drive less and travel less. If we do > travel,
> >>>> the kindest-to-the-earth method of travel is to take the bus. > >>>>
> >>>> So in the spirit of harm reduction, at minimum if this event occurs it > >>>> should be in a city easily accessible by bus travel, and travel by air > >>>> and automobile should be actively discouraged by the organizers. If > it
> >>>> becomes a regular thing, it should not be an annual event, but instead > >>>> should be at most once every four years.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bob Waldrop, OKC
> >>>> http://www.bettertimesinfo.org/permaculture350.pdf — Hacking > >>>> permaculture in 350 words
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 7/16/2012 6:41 AM, venaurafarm wrote:
> >>>>> Steve Hart
> >>>>> Ecology Architect
> >>>>> skype: stevenlawrencehart
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nth American Permaculture Conference ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hey guys…not so long ago there was discussion on a likely > Conference
> >>>>> for all Nth America…whats happened to that energy ? has anyone > picked
> >>>>> up the challenge?, taken an initiative and moved it forward ? Skeeta, > >>>>> are you still in there ? I reckon its time to take the bull by the > horns
> >>>>> and jump in the deep end.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At the International Conference in Jordan, IPC10, Scott Pitman and I > >>>>> discussed future international structures in a workshop. There has > been
> >>>>> waned discussion since but with Cuba’s IPC11 just around the corner > the
> >>>>> agenda will gain more development. One thread is to realise the > >>>>> continental regions of the world. Then to consider each region having > >>>>> conferences. Europe is already well advanced on this with their 12th > >>>>> Conference happening in Kassel this year 1-5th August. Central > America
> >>>>> has had a few. No other region to my knowledge has gone there yet. > >>>>>
> >>>>> Something worthy of development eh what ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Steve Hart
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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